The poem written by John Donne, titled 'No Man is an Island' highlights the significance of the need for people (man) to depend upon one another in order to survive and achieve. Notably, if man WERE an island, this would hence make him isolated and solitary, demanding a need for his self-sufficiency and independence. However, in my opinion, it is not necessarily best to be a constant part of a "continent" as highlighted in the third line of the Donne's piece. Independency allows for man to achieve his best, but once more, I have my significant doubts that it is entirely beneficial to be a constant "island".
And so my mind turns to the term "Archipelago" -the geographic word used to describe a grouping of many islands - and one will find that this blog is in fact named archipelago.
And this is where I come to observe the equilibrium of independency and reliance; nestled somewhere between a continent and an island.
Therefore, I believe that all men should be islands -- just relatively close together.
'No Man is an Island' by John Donne discusses the importance of having company and social interaction between people, and the deep and dark affects isolation can have on mankind. John Donne also makes a point that something can only be, if all of its pieces fit together as one. John Donne seems to set a scene that may make the audience feel as though mankind is not working together as one, even though we are all involved in mankind together. Overall it seems that John Donne's poem is about rejecting this act of mankind’s isolation and independence, whether it be socially or politically, etc. On a more personal note, after researching about John Donne (who lived during the 1600's) I learned that he had a severe sickness (said to be typhus or relapsing fever - Donne does not clearly state what his illness is in his poems) and of course, if he was bed ridden and near death he would have been alone and socially isolated often, which definitely links to the themes and ideas seen in 'No Man is an Island'. Overall, I think John Donne, after having to take care of himself and having people perhaps neglect him, came to the realisation that man cannot look after himself without help, and that in order for man to thrive, everyone needs to work with and help each other through life.
This is very good Stephen. But have you considered the man not being part of the continent with a lot of people surrounding him and helping him along in his life, but maybe just one significant other that the man can lean on? I know it’s a bit of a cliché, but everyone needs at least one other person to lean on. No man can go through life happily and contently without sharing at least a little part of it with someone else. Who knows, maybe by John Donne writing this poem , he was actually reaching out to a certain someone? Telling them they don’t need to be alone anymore, and he was there to support their island. Just a thought :)
I personally believe that this poem is an insightful way at looking at humanity. We are not alone. Everything we do affects everyone else, but mostly we don’t realise it. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less” says to me that we all grieve in some special different way about everyone we lose, whether it is strong or not so strong. It doesn’t matter whether we were connected with the person, losing and gaining life affects everyone.“Each man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind” further supports my interpretation, by the writer clearly stating the ever death of every person affects him. When the funeral bell tolls, he hears it too. This poem could be John Donne reaching out to someone in his life who he felt acted as an island, and he wanted to let them know that they didn’t have to do it all themselves, and that he was there to help them. They didn’t need to be alone anymore. I believe that we shouldn’t completely depend and “lean” on everyone for support 100% of the time, but having someone there to help you through life’s problems when you most need it is a very worthwhile thing to gain.
I believe that the poem "No Man is an Island" written by John Donne is saying that every human being needs support during difficult situations and that every individual in society needs somebody to discuss thier problems with and have somebody to lean on when times get tough.“Each man's death diminishes me” in my opinion suggests that John is saying that every mans death negatively effects him by causing him grief and sadness. The line “Each is a piece of the continent, A part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea Europe is the less” I believe is saying that every single person in the world is precious and important in their own way and when a person passes away the world is never the same again.
There are two ways to approach the idea of 'man as island': on the one hand, as a reflection on the individual, and on the other, as a reflection on humanity as a whole. Which do you think John Donne is referring to in this poem?
'No man is an island' to me represants that not one person male or female can not live with out another. That in every day life the dessions that one person has decided to do will impact a vast morgority of people.That the bigger the dission that the person makes the bigger the impact on everyone else.The dissions that lead a person to get behind the wheel of a car when they are drunk will have any impact on many people if that said person happens to have an accedent. So to me the poem "No mam is an island" is a deep insight into the way that hummanity depends one another. But men and women can be islands and still have a close relationship with others. By Tamika
Personally, I think the poem 'No Man is an Island' by John Donne, reflects on the way people depend on one another and how the death of someone will affect people in different ways. It is important to be socially active and to be able to lean on someone when situations get tough. Being independent is a good thing to an extent but to be isolated and anti-social will only make life so much harder. The people around you can offer you that little bit of support and love you need to get through with life. In saying that, Donne says, "Each is a part of the continent" which supports my opinion that every individual's actions will have an impact on others. Donne makes use of the phrase, "Each man's death diminishes me." As part of a large 'continent' we are all one and the death of one person, will affect us in different ways. Whether it's a relative or friend or just the death of someone you don't know. It's like a puzzle, the loss of one piece or one life would leave an incomplete puzzle. In my opinion, I believe that we are all interlinked and have some impact on the lives of others even if they don't realise it.
In reply to Lucy's comment, I definitely would agree and never thought of it that way, in the sense that rather talking about himself, Donne could have actually been writing the poem for a friend or for someone who needed support and wasn't getting it. I also agree with your interpretation of “Each man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind” and that we are not alone and that 'losing and gaining life' does affect everyone - at least in Donne's opinion. Overall, I think it definitely makes a remark about humanity and how we need to work more closely together, and how no matter how far apart we are, we are all intertwined some how.
Responding to Stephen's response: This is a very good response Wake. I see your point rather clearly, and agree. Each person needs to develop the skills to fend for themselves, and comprehend that they will not always have someone to look out for them, as everyone is leading their own busy lives. So long as we do not completely isolate ourselves from society, and find this “equilibrium” between solitary and communal lifestyles, we can learn to help one another, whilst not depending on others to look after ourselves. Interaction is a key part of the humanity, one that has allowed us to get to where we are today.
I believe John Donne's "No man is an Island" reflects upon how every person in the world needs to feel a sense of belonging in their lives and how important it is to feel supported by others without being isolated by society. Everyone needs to have a noteworthy other person to lean on when they fall upon hard times in their lives, as being alone can deal damage to their mentality and cause them to feel less of a person. The loss of a person out of one’s life is significant because a relationship that has been constructed over a period of time and in a foul swoop the relationship is broken and consists only of memories which can entirely turn a person’s day to day life upside down. Imagine; your favourite teacher changes jobs at the end of the year. This teacher has helped you, out of their own time, during lunchtimes and afterschool, enabling you to pass the subject. A relationship has been struck up between the two of you and knowing that they’re not going to be there to provide the help you need, can be daunting. Every person you have a connection to, however slight is still meaningful to one another. No matter what, everyone needs to have an important other person whom they can rely and depend on, and conversley, everyone needs to be there for each other to build a better society and a welcoming place to live.
The poem i am respnding to “no man is an island” by John Donne hints and discusses how important it is to have interaction and relationships between all types of people in our lives. I believe that if someone was labelled an “island” they would be exiled from society and therefore a fairlylonely person. An island is a large mass of land in the ocean that is almost always in the middle of nowhere and generally a not very welcoming place. Now i have given you an insight to what an island is i believe you would all be unhappy to have one of your close friends t be such a antisocial island. This poem is also discussing how a mans death applies to other peoples emotions and the effects this death would have on thier lives. I believe this is a very insightful and truthful poem that greatly illustrates how people that are an “island” areseen in society, generally a lonely and not welcoming person who is sad with thier lives and oblivious to the world around them.
i beleive "no man is an island" a poem writen by John Donnes reflects the way us as humans need to interact and corespond with one another to survive within society. no man is an island and should not be loney. there is always people out there willing to help and get you through tough times. no man or woman in the matter should be on there own for chritmas and we need to interact with those around us to feel like a part of a family and to feel welcomed. everybody has the right to feel welcomed and accepted within a community. No man is an island and nobody should ever be on there own. it is not healthy for them and those around them how are only trying to help. your attitude will reflect on those around you and for everyone to be happy you need to be in the same boat. I beleive John Donnes was trying to say the same thing just alot better then i did.
I believe that John Donne is comparing all of mankind to a continent and therefore each person is a piece of the continent , not an island. Donne goes on to say that if a clod breaks off from a continent , the continent is less than it was before. Therefore when one person dies, all of mankind is hurt by that death. This explains that no human being can isolate themselves from anybody else or the outside world succesfully. It doesn't matter what life situation your in it is always better to have another person with you to stand by you and help you through the good times and the bad times.
In response to steven wake’s peice on “no man is an island” by john donne, i believe the points he raises are very valid and very well worded. His response greatly illustrates the meaning of the poem. Although i disagree with his last statement that all men should be island’s, i do see where he is comming from when he makes these statements but stilli somewhat disagree. I award you.... 8.9/10!
i am responding to steve wakes peice of writing. i personally think steve did really well and really captured the relevence of the poem and really hit the spot with his word and his vocabulary. i like the way steve has broken down the poem to discuss different aspects of Johns writting. and agre with his use of definitions and explanations. well done steveyy
That is a very interesting point there Butterballs. After reading your response to the text it seems that you have a very thorough understanding of the topic. You must have seriously and deeply thought about the poem and what it meant to you. I know I spent lots of time trying to understand the article. Your quote "nobody should ever be on their own" was simple and effective. Love your work.
In response to Rachel's personal reflection. I think it was great that you went ahead and researched John Donne's own personal life which you used to make a suggestion on why he might have written this poem. I totally agree with you on the points that it's important to have social interaction between people and having company. You've done a great job, Rachel =]
In response to Natasha's reflection upon Mr. Donne’s poem, I find that several points which I inadvertently forgot to mention arise – each of them incredibly valid. The first of those being that the reliance on one’s fellow man in times of need can very well be the difference between solace and insanity. It reflects the importance and significance of support from humanity, and this in turn does help to create an ideal world in which to live. Regardless of how much I personally disagree with Donne’s insistence that we are all 100% linked as a continent, it is certainly interesting to see an alternative perspective to my own reflection, and it has helped me to build ideas based upon those of mine pre-existing. Good work ‘Tash!
I beleive John Donne's poem, "No Man is an Island" claims that no man is entirely individual, thus referring to humanity as a continent with every individual making up a perentage of the "main." I agree on this theory beleiving that if a man were self sufficient, then he would be responsible for the creation of everything needed to maintain himself without any external interaction, this being a task impossible for any man to complete and sustain succesfully. Man is a creature of dependance both physically and mentally and therefore cannot be described logically as an island.
Hit the nail on the head zancs i agree with you 100%, very well expressed and worded with reference to the poem itself, clearly displaying your point of view and an understanding of the text. Was of great help to me, solid effort.
"No man an island" is a poem in which John Donne reflects on a person's need for the support of others throughout life. I disagree, as some people do often go through life without needing others around them. I believe every man is an island unless they choose to join with another. Friendships and relationships between people can mean the joining of two islands, in which a bridge is built from either side, joining in the middle. The bridge can only be built with effort from both islands, creating a stable connection to a world outside their own. In reference to the line "Each man's death diminishes me", I agree as even though an island may not be connected to another by land or a bridge, the disappearance of an island will still have effect on another. For example 9 years ago when terrorist attacks hit the United States of America, it affected the whole world even though most people had no connection to anyone directly involved.
I really enjoyed your perspective on "No man is an island" and the fact that you researched John Donne's life to learn more about what he was talking about in the poem. It was interesting to know what was going on in his life during the time in which the poem was written. Reading your reflection made me see the poem differently and I liked your theory on John Donne believing that something can only be if all the peices fit together.
The poem 'No Man is an Island' by John Donne touches on the issue of humans not being able to go through life alone and it is important to feel that you belong somewhere in society, which is very true. From the moment we are born, we depend on our parents to love, nurture and care for us. As time goes on, the people you depend on change, though some will stay the same. In relation to this poem, I think this is what Donne was trying to get across. Not only that, but I feel that he is referring more to humans in general in his poem. By saying "each man's death diminishes me" Donne is referring both to the "continent" that is humanity, being diminished when a part of it dies and also how most humans are affected when people die, whether they are close or not. I think it refers to and comments on how small humans are but together they are much greater. How much importance do we bring to the world if we are not working as one, but only isolating ourselves? Many people feel the pressure to belong somewhere in society and relationships are very important in any person's life. Sometimes people only realise how important your relationship with someone is right before it's gone. I know, because when high school ends I always wonder who will I keep in touch with? Who will want to keep in touch with me? And I find it daunting to know that I may not speak to many of the people I am so close to now. But as I said before, the people you have rely on change, but this example shows how important friendships and relationships are to humans. This poem raises many questions when I think about it, but makes me realise that yes, no man is an island, but in society and in everyday living people are isolating themselves more, life seems to be becoming less social, as in face to face social, with the developments of technology. People are "islanding" themselves more and more, often taking their presence away with a phone or iPod, why go over to your friends house when you can both just log into facebook and chat there? In the end, no man or woman is an island. If people have problems to deal with its harder to get through it alone, and things work more effectively if humanity works as a continent rather than separate little islands.
Tash, I completely agree with you and think that you effectively and clearly described your view on the poem and the issue behind John Donne's words. I agree because I understand that at some point in their lives everyone will experience a rough patch or an obstacle that they must overcome and often shutting people out is not the way to deal with it. I agree that everyone needs at least one special person that can help them face their demons and beat them. Your point was well demonstrated and clearly outlined and I enjoyed reading it, well done Tash :)
I agree with you Cindy, your post was very thought provoking and make me also consider that Donne could also have been referring to all the people you're connected to in life. Rather than every single person being linked like a continent. So when he says "each man's death diminishes me" if referring to all the people that a person is connected to in their life, saying this is more accurate that if he were talking about humanity as a whole. But I do agree with you when you say for most people, if someone they don't know dies, it still has some impact on a person whether they feel sympathetic, empathetic etc. But you're right we are all connected in some way. Great job, Cindy ^-^
I believe John Donne’s poem, ‘’No Man Is An Island’’ refers to how all of humanity is connected in some way. Donne suggests that no one is entirely alone; we are all joined in society with other people and are all a part of the continent of mankind; therefore if one person dies, all of humanity is affected.
When Donne says, 'each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main', he implies that each person is a part of and linked to a community in some way or another. Without human contact and the relationships we share our lives would lack reason and fulfilment. When saying, 'Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind' I believe Donne is trying to express that we are all affected by others actions and what happens to them.
‘Archipelago,’ the title of the blog is defined as a chain or cluster of islands that is formed tectonically. I believe that the cluster is referring to the community that we are a part of and the chain is how mankind is essentially linked together.
Steve, firstly great work I love your interpretation of the poem. I, along with Rye and Dylan, really enjoyed your piece. You expressed yourself very clearly and obviously you have a great understanding of the passage. I liked how you used the definition of archipelago in your response; it gave me a wider view on the poem.
Some great work here, I am very pleased with the quality of responses so far. Hannah's 'bridge' idea is very powerful. Most of you have made reference to personal experience which indicates that you have thought about how the idea relates to your own life. Well done!
In response to rachels personal reflection its a very well written reflection and i can see you really took the peom into consideration. I really enjoyed reading it and I loved the fact that you decided to research John Donne and use the information you learnt about his severe sickness typhus and incorporate that information and research into your reflection i also like that you were very clear and that you could easily understand what you were saying and that you got straight to the point of what you thought the poem “ No man is an Island” was about i entirely agree with your reflection well done :)
In John Donne's poem 'No Man is an Island', it describes how a man is not isolated from others. The continent that he refers to represents a group of people who are all linked to one another. Donne is trying to convey that we are all connected in humanity and that we are all one body working together, not separate because our lives are intertwined. Donne's referenced to a clog (a small piece of clay) and a promontory (a large piece of land) show that one death is a loss for the whole of humanity, just as a large number of deaths are. This shows that every life is significant and important in the lives of others. Donne expresses that it doesn't matter whether it's the death of someone he knows or not, either way it weakens him for he's part of the human race. Donne says that death is a key part of human existence which we will all be faced with one day. My opinion on whether a man is an island is that man isn't an island because we're all connected to one another and need each other in order to survive.
John Donne's poem - 'No Man Is An Island' highlights his personal views on both society and humanity. It suggests that we as a community - be it a town, club, tea party or continent (as he also elluded), are a collective. A collaboration even, of people that make up what is mankind. His comment about Europes loss of a clod somewhat diminishing them as a whole, refers to loss within community. Can it be highlighted though, that man is like an island, in the way that an island is made up of many aspects, that distinguish it as an island? Sure, many people make up a country and the loss of a life can and will subtract from society, but on a different scale, man can lose things. He can lose his dignity, or gain someones respect. As an individual, a man can be an island in my opinion; Gaining knowledge like an island grows vegetation, losing morals or memories like an island loses the seeds of the trees that wash away with the tide. This however, could be considered as a lonely way of looking at things. I on the other hand, tend to thing independance needs a place in everyones priorities.
Nice use of metaphor Paul. Perhaps rising sea levels are the erosion of self? How might that process be combated? How do we strengthen ourselves against such diminishing of self by the forces of society and the difficulties life presents us? What is your breakwater?
I really liked how you talked about the terrorist attacks that hit America nine years ago, and how they affected the entire world, not just the United States. I think this is a perfect example of how we are inter-connected in some way. I also agree that while we may need social interaction and support, not everyone needs somebody by their side at all times. Great job! :)
I definitely agree with your reflection, especially how you talked about each life being precious. I think this may have been one of the big points that Donne discusses in his poem. Loved reading your reflection :)
I found your reflection very interesting, especially about the idea of how we may have an impact on other people's lives, without even realising it. This is quite powerful. This may be off topic but it reminds be of that saying about how smiling at a stranger could really brighten up their day. But if we are complete strangers, and a smile can be shared between us, and that has the power to make one of us (or both) very happy, then we must be connected in some way in order for us to feel something like happiness with someone whom we don't even know. Therefore, Donne's poem can also really be a message of hope. Great reflection!
I found the clip of "Powder" to be a very deep and a moving piece. I believe that there comes a time in all of our lives where we feel unaccompanied in the society we live in today. The clip “Powder” shows us that, through the power of a telepath, we find that feeling alone is actually rather normal, as most people in the world have experienced it throughout his or her own lives. When Jeremy suggests, "We are all apart of everyone and everything," I contemplated this for a few moments, and agreed upon this entirely. The decisions we make both affect and influence all of the people around us, despite the fact that these decisions are ones that we are forever responsible for, our dealings in life are our own. The choices we make impact upon others because all our lives are connected as we are part of the human race. We feel all the same emotions during each of our lives; anger, fearful, resentment, grief, love, empathy, gratitude, everything. We are all interwined in those ways, regardless of our appearance. We're not different from everyone else; because at the end of the day, we are all human.
In response to Tamika's blog, she said that men and women need others rather than being isolated. She also states that a person’s actions can and does affect the lives of others around them. Tamika, I liked these comments and agree that people need others and that they aren’t isolated like an island. I also agree that if someone makes a bad decision, it can affect others. This can be seen when someone murders or steals the property of another person. However, it not only affects the person directly involved, it also affects those around them.
I think that the poem says that people can't live alone and they need others around them when he says they are really part of a continent. It makes you think that when you connect to other people and then they die, the bells ring to remind you of the person's life.
The segment from the movie "Powder" shows a man who is clearly an outsider telling a woman that she is part of everyone and everything. He tells her about the people who can't accept who they are, but have to lie and exagerate in order to fit in. I really like his quotes and it made me think hard about the things i say and do. Although at the very start, it shows him walking through a large crowd of people all staring at him, and he was trying to be hidden as he was wearing a large hat mostly covering his face. It seemed a bit hypocritical that he was trying to tell his woman that people don't need to hide when at the first time we see him, he is doing just that. I think the video would have more emphasis if we didn't see the way he entered.
"No Man is an Island" - Personal Reflection
ReplyDeleteThe poem written by John Donne, titled 'No Man is an Island' highlights the significance of the need for people (man) to depend upon one another in order to survive and achieve. Notably, if man WERE an island, this would hence make him isolated and solitary, demanding a need for his self-sufficiency and independence. However, in my opinion, it is not necessarily best to be a constant part of a "continent" as highlighted in the third line of the Donne's piece.
Independency allows for man to achieve his best, but once more, I have my significant doubts that it is entirely beneficial to be a constant "island".
And so my mind turns to the term "Archipelago" -the geographic word used to describe a grouping of many islands - and one will find that this blog is in fact named archipelago.
And this is where I come to observe the equilibrium of independency and reliance; nestled somewhere between a continent and an island.
Therefore, I believe that all men should be islands -- just relatively close together.
'No Man is an Island' by John Donne discusses the importance of having company and social interaction between people, and the deep and dark affects isolation can have on mankind. John Donne also makes a point that something can only be, if all of its pieces fit together as one. John Donne seems to set a scene that may make the audience feel as though mankind is not working together as one, even though we are all involved in mankind together. Overall it seems that John Donne's poem is about rejecting this act of mankind’s isolation and independence, whether it be socially or politically, etc. On a more personal note, after researching about John Donne (who lived during the 1600's) I learned that he had a severe sickness (said to be typhus or relapsing fever - Donne does not clearly state what his illness is in his poems) and of course, if he was bed ridden and near death he would have been alone and socially isolated often, which definitely links to the themes and ideas seen in 'No Man is an Island'. Overall, I think John Donne, after having to take care of himself and having people perhaps neglect him, came to the realisation that man cannot look after himself without help, and that in order for man to thrive, everyone needs to work with and help each other through life.
ReplyDeleteThis is very good Stephen. But have you considered the man not being part of the continent with a lot of people surrounding him and helping him along in his life, but maybe just one significant other that the man can lean on?
ReplyDeleteI know it’s a bit of a cliché, but everyone needs at least one other person to lean on. No man can go through life happily and contently without sharing at least a little part of it with someone else.
Who knows, maybe by John Donne writing this poem , he was actually reaching out to a certain someone? Telling them they don’t need to be alone anymore, and he was there to support their island.
Just a thought :)
Personal refelection :)
ReplyDeleteI personally believe that this poem is an insightful way at looking at humanity. We are not alone. Everything we do affects everyone else, but mostly we don’t realise it. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less” says to me that we all grieve in some special different way about everyone we lose, whether it is strong or not so strong. It doesn’t matter whether we were connected with the person, losing and gaining life affects everyone.“Each man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind” further supports my interpretation, by the writer clearly stating the ever death of every person affects him. When the funeral bell tolls, he hears it too. This poem could be John Donne reaching out to someone in his life who he felt acted as an island, and he wanted to let them know that they didn’t have to do it all themselves, and that he was there to help them. They didn’t need to be alone anymore.
I believe that we shouldn’t completely depend and “lean” on everyone for support 100% of the time, but having someone there to help you through life’s problems when you most need it is a very worthwhile thing to gain.
I believe that the poem "No Man is an Island" written by John Donne is saying that every human being needs support during difficult situations and that every individual in society needs somebody to discuss thier problems with and have somebody to lean on when times get tough.“Each man's death diminishes me” in my opinion suggests that John is saying that every mans death negatively effects him by causing him grief and sadness. The line “Each is a piece of the continent, A part of the main if a clod be washed away by the sea Europe is the less” I believe is saying that every single person in the world is precious and important in their own way and when a person passes away the world is never the same again.
ReplyDeleteThere are two ways to approach the idea of 'man as island': on the one hand, as a reflection on the individual, and on the other, as a reflection on humanity as a whole. Which do you think John Donne is referring to in this poem?
ReplyDeleteWhat is Donne referring to when he states: 'each man's death diminishes me?'
ReplyDelete'No man is an island' to me represants that not one person male or female can not live with out another. That in every day life the dessions that one person has decided to do will impact a vast morgority of people.That the bigger the dission that the person makes the bigger the impact on everyone else.The dissions that lead a person to get behind the wheel of a car when they are drunk will have any impact on many people if that said person happens to have an accedent. So to me the poem "No mam is an island" is a deep insight into the way that hummanity depends one another. But men and women can be islands and still have a close relationship with others.
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Thannks, Tamika, for your very relevant example of how people are affected by each other's actions.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I think the poem 'No Man is an Island' by John Donne, reflects on the way people depend on one another and how the death of someone will affect people in different ways. It is important to be socially active and to be able to lean on someone when situations get tough. Being independent is a good thing to an extent but to be isolated and anti-social will only make life so much harder. The people around you can offer you that little bit of support and love you need to get through with life. In saying that, Donne says, "Each is a part of the continent" which supports my opinion that every individual's actions will have an impact on others.
ReplyDeleteDonne makes use of the phrase, "Each man's death diminishes me." As part of a large 'continent' we are all one and the death of one person, will affect us in different ways. Whether it's a relative or friend or just the death of someone you don't know. It's like a puzzle, the loss of one piece or one life would leave an incomplete puzzle. In my opinion, I believe that we are all interlinked and have some impact on the lives of others even if they don't realise it.
In reply to Lucy's comment, I definitely would agree and never thought of it that way, in the sense that rather talking about himself, Donne could have actually been writing the poem for a friend or for someone who needed support and wasn't getting it. I also agree with your interpretation of “Each man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind” and that we are not alone and that 'losing and gaining life' does affect everyone - at least in Donne's opinion. Overall, I think it definitely makes a remark about humanity and how we need to work more closely together, and how no matter how far apart we are, we are all intertwined some how.
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ReplyDeleteThis is a very good response Wake. I see your point rather clearly, and agree. Each person needs to develop the skills to fend for themselves, and comprehend that they will not always have someone to look out for them, as everyone is leading their own busy lives. So long as we do not completely isolate ourselves from society, and find this “equilibrium” between solitary and communal lifestyles, we can learn to help one another, whilst not depending on others to look after ourselves. Interaction is a key part of the humanity, one that has allowed us to get to where we are today.
I believe John Donne's "No man is an Island" reflects upon how every person in the world needs to feel a sense of belonging in their lives and how important it is to feel supported by others without being isolated by society. Everyone needs to have a noteworthy other person to lean on when they fall upon hard times in their lives, as being alone can deal damage to their mentality and cause them to feel less of a person. The loss of a person out of one’s life is significant because a relationship that has been constructed over a period of time and in a foul swoop the relationship is broken and consists only of memories which can entirely turn a person’s day to day life upside down. Imagine; your favourite teacher changes jobs at the end of the year. This teacher has helped you, out of their own time, during lunchtimes and afterschool, enabling you to pass the subject. A relationship has been struck up between the two of you and knowing that they’re not going to be there to provide the help you need, can be daunting. Every person you have a connection to, however slight is still meaningful to one another. No matter what, everyone needs to have an important other person whom they can rely and depend on, and conversley, everyone needs to be there for each other to build a better society and a welcoming place to live.
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ReplyDeleteThe poem i am respnding to “no man is an island” by John Donne hints and discusses how important it is to have interaction and relationships between all types of people in our lives. I believe that if someone was labelled an “island” they would be exiled from society and therefore a fairlylonely person. An island is a large mass of land in the ocean that is almost always in the middle of nowhere and generally a not very welcoming place. Now i have given you an insight to what an island is i believe you would all be unhappy to have one of your close friends t be such a antisocial island. This poem is also discussing how a mans death applies to other peoples emotions and the effects this death would have on thier lives. I believe this is a very insightful and truthful poem that greatly illustrates how people that are an “island” areseen in society, generally a lonely and not welcoming person who is sad with thier lives and oblivious to the world around them.
i beleive "no man is an island" a poem writen by John Donnes reflects the way us as humans need to interact and corespond with one another to survive within society. no man is an island and should not be loney. there is always people out there willing to help and get you through tough times. no man or woman in the matter should be on there own for chritmas and we need to interact with those around us to feel like a part of a family and to feel welcomed. everybody has the right to feel welcomed and accepted within a community. No man is an island and nobody should ever be on there own. it is not healthy for them and those around them how are only trying to help. your attitude will reflect on those around you and for everyone to be happy you need to be in the same boat. I beleive John Donnes was trying to say the same thing just alot better then i did.
ReplyDeleteI believe that John Donne is comparing all of mankind to a continent and therefore each person is a piece of the continent , not an island. Donne goes on to say that if a clod breaks off from a continent , the continent is less than it was before. Therefore when one person dies, all of mankind is hurt by that death. This explains that no human being can isolate themselves from anybody else or the outside world succesfully. It doesn't matter what life situation your in it is always better to have another person with you to stand by you and help you through the good times and the bad times.
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ReplyDeleteIn response to steven wake’s peice on “no man is an island” by john donne, i believe the points he raises are very valid and very well worded. His response greatly illustrates the meaning of the poem. Although i disagree with his last statement that all men should be island’s, i do see where he is comming from when he makes these statements but stilli somewhat disagree. I award you.... 8.9/10!
i am responding to steve wakes peice of writing.
ReplyDeletei personally think steve did really well and really captured the relevence of the poem and really hit the spot with his word and his vocabulary. i like the way steve has broken down the poem to discuss different aspects of Johns writting. and agre with his use of definitions and explanations. well done steveyy
That is a very interesting point there Butterballs. After reading your response to the text it seems that you have a very thorough understanding of the topic. You must have seriously and deeply thought about the poem and what it meant to you. I know I spent lots of time trying to understand the article. Your quote "nobody should ever be on their own" was simple and effective. Love your work.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Rachel's personal reflection. I think it was great that you went ahead and researched John Donne's own personal life which you used to make a suggestion on why he might have written this poem.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you on the points that it's important to have social interaction between people and having company. You've done a great job, Rachel =]
In response to Natasha's reflection upon Mr. Donne’s poem, I find that several points which I inadvertently forgot to mention arise – each of them incredibly valid. The first of those being that the reliance on one’s fellow man in times of need can very well be the difference between solace and insanity. It reflects the importance and significance of support from humanity, and this in turn does help to create an ideal world in which to live. Regardless of how much I personally disagree with Donne’s insistence that we are all 100% linked as a continent, it is certainly interesting to see an alternative perspective to my own reflection, and it has helped me to build ideas based upon those of mine pre-existing. Good work ‘Tash!
ReplyDeleteI beleive John Donne's poem, "No Man is an Island" claims that no man is entirely individual, thus referring to humanity as a continent with every individual making up a perentage of the "main." I agree on this theory beleiving that if a man were self sufficient, then he would be responsible for the creation of everything needed to maintain himself without any external interaction, this being a task impossible for any man to complete and sustain succesfully. Man is a creature of dependance both physically and mentally and therefore cannot be described logically as an island.
ReplyDeleteHit the nail on the head zancs i agree with you 100%, very well expressed and worded with reference to the poem itself, clearly displaying your point of view and an understanding of the text. Was of great help to me, solid effort.
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ReplyDelete"No man an island" is a poem in which John Donne reflects on a person's need for the support of others throughout life. I disagree, as some people do often go through life without needing others around them. I believe every man is an island unless they choose to join with another. Friendships and relationships between people can mean the joining of two islands, in which a bridge is built from either side, joining in the middle. The bridge can only be built with effort from both islands, creating a stable connection to a world outside their own.
In reference to the line "Each man's death diminishes me", I agree as even though an island may not be connected to another by land or a bridge, the disappearance of an island will still have effect on another. For example 9 years ago when terrorist attacks hit the United States of America, it affected the whole world even though most people had no connection to anyone directly involved.
In response to Rachel's response:
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed your perspective on "No man is an island" and the fact that you researched John Donne's life to learn more about what he was talking about in the poem. It was interesting to know what was going on in his life during the time in which the poem was written. Reading your reflection made me see the poem differently and I liked your theory on John Donne believing that something can only be if all the peices fit together.
Personal reflection:
ReplyDeleteThe poem 'No Man is an Island' by John Donne touches on the issue of humans not being able to go through life alone and it is important to feel that you belong somewhere in society, which is very true. From the moment we are born, we depend on our parents to love, nurture and care for us. As time goes on, the people you depend on change, though some will stay the same. In relation to this poem, I think this is what Donne was trying to get across. Not only that, but I feel that he is referring more to humans in general in his poem. By saying "each man's death diminishes me" Donne is referring both to the "continent" that is humanity, being diminished when a part of it dies and also how most humans are affected when people die, whether they are close or not. I think it refers to and comments on how small humans are but together they are much greater. How much importance do we bring to the world if we are not working as one, but only isolating ourselves?
Many people feel the pressure to belong somewhere in society and relationships are very important in any person's life. Sometimes people only realise how important your relationship with someone is right before it's gone. I know, because when high school ends I always wonder who will I keep in touch with? Who will want to keep in touch with me? And I find it daunting to know that I may not speak to many of the people I am so close to now. But as I said before, the people you have rely on change, but this example shows how important friendships and relationships are to humans.
This poem raises many questions when I think about it, but makes me realise that yes, no man is an island, but in society and in everyday living people are isolating themselves more, life seems to be becoming less social, as in face to face social, with the developments of technology. People are "islanding" themselves more and more, often taking their presence away with a phone or iPod, why go over to your friends house when you can both just log into facebook and chat there? In the end, no man or woman is an island. If people have problems to deal with its harder to get through it alone, and things work more effectively if humanity works as a continent rather than separate little islands.
(Sorry I've rambled a little)
In response to Natasha S:
ReplyDeleteTash, I completely agree with you and think that you effectively and clearly described your view on the poem and the issue behind John Donne's words. I agree because I understand that at some point in their lives everyone will experience a rough patch or an obstacle that they must overcome and often shutting people out is not the way to deal with it. I agree that everyone needs at least one special person that can help them face their demons and beat them. Your point was well demonstrated and clearly outlined and I enjoyed reading it, well done Tash :)
In response to Cindy's post:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Cindy, your post was very thought provoking and make me also consider that Donne could also have been referring to all the people you're connected to in life. Rather than every single person being linked like a continent. So when he says "each man's death diminishes me" if referring to all the people that a person is connected to in their life, saying this is more accurate that if he were talking about humanity as a whole. But I do agree with you when you say for most people, if someone they don't know dies, it still has some impact on a person whether they feel sympathetic, empathetic etc. But you're right we are all connected in some way. Great job, Cindy ^-^
I believe John Donne’s poem, ‘’No Man Is An Island’’ refers to how all of humanity is connected in some way. Donne suggests that no one is entirely alone; we are all joined in society with other people and are all a part of the continent of mankind; therefore if one person dies, all of humanity is affected.
ReplyDeleteWhen Donne says, 'each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main', he implies that each person is a part of and linked to a community in some way or another. Without human contact and the relationships we share our lives would lack reason and fulfilment. When saying, 'Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind' I believe Donne is trying to express that we are all affected by others actions and what happens to them.
‘Archipelago,’ the title of the blog is defined as a chain or cluster of islands that is formed tectonically. I believe that the cluster is referring to the community that we are a part of and the chain is how mankind is essentially linked together.
In response to Stephen's post:
ReplyDeleteSteve, firstly great work I love your interpretation of the poem. I, along with Rye and Dylan, really enjoyed your piece. You expressed yourself very clearly and obviously you have a great understanding of the passage. I liked how you used the definition of archipelago in your response; it gave me a wider view on the poem.
Congrats!! Thanks Guys!!!!!!
Some great work here, I am very pleased with the quality of responses so far. Hannah's 'bridge' idea is very powerful. Most of you have made reference to personal experience which indicates that you have thought about how the idea relates to your own life. Well done!
ReplyDeleteHi guys, great work.
ReplyDeleteIn response to rachels personal reflection its a very well written reflection and i can see you really took the peom into consideration. I really enjoyed reading it and I loved the fact that you decided to research John Donne and use the information you learnt about his severe sickness typhus and incorporate that information and research into your reflection i also like that you were very clear and that you could easily understand what you were saying and that you got straight to the point of what you thought the poem “ No man is an Island” was about i entirely agree with your reflection well done :)
ReplyDeleteIn John Donne's poem 'No Man is an Island', it describes how a man is not isolated from others. The continent that he refers to represents a group of people who are all linked to one another. Donne is trying to convey that we are all connected in humanity and that we are all one body working together, not separate because our lives are intertwined. Donne's referenced to a clog (a small piece of clay) and a promontory (a large piece of land) show that one death is a loss for the whole of humanity, just as a large number of deaths are. This shows that every life is significant and important in the lives of others. Donne expresses that it doesn't matter whether it's the death of someone he knows or not, either way it weakens him for he's part of the human race. Donne says that death is a key part of human existence which we will all be faced with one day. My opinion on whether a man is an island is that man isn't an island because we're all connected to one another and need each other in order to survive.
ReplyDeleteJohn Donne's poem - 'No Man Is An Island' highlights his personal views on both society and humanity. It suggests that we as a community - be it a town, club, tea party or continent (as he also elluded), are a collective. A collaboration even, of people that make up what is mankind. His comment about Europes loss of a clod somewhat diminishing them as a whole, refers to loss within community.
ReplyDeleteCan it be highlighted though, that man is like an island, in the way that an island is made up of many aspects, that distinguish it as an island? Sure, many people make up a country and the loss of a life can and will subtract from society, but on a different scale, man can lose things. He can lose his dignity, or gain someones respect. As an individual, a man can be an island in my opinion; Gaining knowledge like an island grows vegetation, losing morals or memories like an island loses the seeds of the trees that wash away with the tide. This however, could be considered as a lonely way of looking at things. I on the other hand, tend to thing independance needs a place in everyones priorities.
Nice use of metaphor Paul. Perhaps rising sea levels are the erosion of self? How might that process be combated? How do we strengthen ourselves against such diminishing of self by the forces of society and the difficulties life presents us? What is your breakwater?
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ReplyDeleteI really liked how you talked about the terrorist attacks that hit America nine years ago, and how they affected the entire world, not just the United States. I think this is a perfect example of how we are inter-connected in some way. I also agree that while we may need social interaction and support, not everyone needs somebody by their side at all times. Great job! :)
In response to Celisse's personal reflection.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with your reflection, especially how you talked about each life being precious. I think this may have been one of the big points that Donne discusses in his poem. Loved reading your reflection :)
In response to Cindy.
ReplyDeleteI found your reflection very interesting, especially about the idea of how we may have an impact on other people's lives, without even realising it. This is quite powerful. This may be off topic but it reminds be of that saying about how smiling at a stranger could really brighten up their day. But if we are complete strangers, and a smile can be shared between us, and that has the power to make one of us (or both) very happy, then we must be connected in some way in order for us to feel something like happiness with someone whom we don't even know. Therefore, Donne's poem can also really be a message of hope. Great reflection!
I found the clip of "Powder" to be a very deep and a moving piece. I believe that there comes a time in all of our lives where we feel unaccompanied in the society we live in today. The clip “Powder” shows us that, through the power of a telepath, we find that feeling alone is actually rather normal, as most people in the world have experienced it throughout his or her own lives. When Jeremy suggests, "We are all apart of everyone and everything," I contemplated this for a few moments, and agreed upon this entirely. The decisions we make both affect and influence all of the people around us, despite the fact that these decisions are ones that we are forever responsible for, our dealings in life are our own. The choices we make impact upon others because all our lives are connected as we are part of the human race. We feel all the same emotions during each of our lives; anger, fearful, resentment, grief, love, empathy, gratitude, everything. We are all interwined in those ways, regardless of our appearance. We're not different from everyone else; because at the end of the day, we are all human.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Tamika's blog, she said that men and women need others rather than being isolated. She also states that a person’s actions can and does affect the lives of others around them. Tamika, I liked these comments and agree that people need others and that they aren’t isolated like an island. I also agree that if someone makes a bad decision, it can affect others. This can be seen when someone murders or steals the property of another person. However, it not only affects the person directly involved, it also affects those around them.
ReplyDeleteI think that the poem says that people can't live alone and they need others around them when he says they are really part of a continent. It makes you think that when you connect to other people and then they die, the bells ring to remind you of the person's life.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Aaron's comment, I agree. We are all connected in some way and to be strong we all need to stick together. Top point of view Aaron.
ReplyDeleteThe segment from the movie "Powder" shows a man who is clearly an outsider telling a woman that she is part of everyone and everything. He tells her about the people who can't accept who they are, but have to lie and exagerate in order to fit in. I really like his quotes and it made me think hard about the things i say and do. Although at the very start, it shows him walking through a large crowd of people all staring at him, and he was trying to be hidden as he was wearing a large hat mostly covering his face. It seemed a bit hypocritical that he was trying to tell his woman that people don't need to hide when at the first time we see him, he is doing just that. I think the video would have more emphasis if we didn't see the way he entered.
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